BTW (for snurrfint and others),  the volume can be adjusted Note by Note in the Standard version too, like in the Pro version.

Excellent news! Hope you can kind of un-hear that little diff - and enjoy the D !!

Seems naff - but I like it when a... "you call that a plan??" comes tegothre!

BTW - Great data and discovery Groovy.. after seeing that, I was going to suggest snurrfint tries altering stereo field (dpiano speakers being kind of tuned for the dpiano's sound lib and specifics galore). I'd still try altering stereo field setting, if I were using my old dpiano speakers - could be a good thing for any dpiano speaker user to try out.. they can have a quite different width by default, against a traditional monitor setup - and be more directionally diffuse.

Heya @aWc - nobody should be embarrassed - you are a true gent imo

Hey btw @snurrfint - firstly, glad to see you use Freeze function.. I was saving up a suggestion to use it, to capture the action related items from the preset you prefer (like maybe Classical Recording) where the action/keys would be more concert/performance ready.. and freeze those things (like hammer hardness etc. - even just that).. and then apply that to for example Warm - Ruined. That kind of thing, without Pro, might help you not have to hear that diff again... save your new Warm by snurrfint preset so you can load it again

Cheers all!!

Thanks, the freeze is a lifesaver for sure.

The diff right now, after the issue disappeared is not noticeable while playing, only when strictly comparing note by note. Im not against different keys having slightly different volumes as it adds character, and Im certain real pianos work the same way. What was annoying was to hear a drastically higher volume for a specific note in the middle of a piano piece.

I was playing Eric Satie's Gnossienne and it was damn near impossible to make it sound natural in the opening where the 5C goes to 4B rapidly.

The solution was also very annoying. Having to flip through all factory presets with no freeze setting, and also deleting custom presets was not a fun experience, and a user should not need to do that between minor updates to make the piano function properly. Its a clear bug in Mordartts software and needs to be adressed before they update the model next time, in my opinion.

With that said. Im still in love with the software and there is really no competition on the iPad at the moment.

Seems naff - but I like it when a... "you call that a plan??" comes tegothre!

BTW - Great data and discovery Groovy.. after seeing that, I was going to suggest snurrfint tries altering stereo field (dpiano speakers being kind of tuned for the dpiano's sound lib and specifics galore). I'd still try altering stereo field setting, if I were using my old dpiano speakers - could be a good thing for any dpiano speaker user to try out.. they can have a quite different width by default, against a traditional monitor setup - and be more directionally diffuse.

Heya @aWc - nobody should be embarrassed - you are a true gent imo

Hey btw @snurrfint - firstly, glad to see you use Freeze function.. I was saving up a suggestion to use it, to capture the action related items from the preset you prefer (like maybe Classical Recording) where the action/keys would be more concert/performance ready.. and freeze those things (like hammer hardness etc. - even just that).. and then apply that to for example Warm - Ruined. That kind of thing, without Pro, might help you not have to hear that diff again... save your new Warm by snurrfint preset so you can load it again

Cheers all!!

C6 is way lower than its neighbours.

LUFS and Peak meters in Cakewalk show C5 (Note Number 48 = C below  middle C) of the default NY Steinway D is about 2dB louder than its immediate neighbors. It also shows the C6 above that is about 1dB softer than its neghbors, but that level of variation in loudness of adjacent notes can be found elsewhere on the keyboard and doesn't seem extraordinary.

Out of curiosity, I tried my NY Steinway D Jazz Recording - Dry preset (no limiter, no reverb) and found C5 was no louder than the B below it, but the C# above it was a full 2.5dB softer while the next D was again comparable to C5.

EDIT: Oops. missed a bunch of newer posts. What I wrote above may be moot, but I'll leave it up FWIW.

Congrats!

If you have a problem next time, please try to be exactly if you want help.

I had to ask you for B4 and C5 explicitly because on my system B4 has a slightly higher peak than C5 on Pianoteq's "volume meter" under my listed conditions. That was opposite to your observation and an indication, that your settings had not been correct. Now we know why, typical PEBKAC error.

Good luck!

No, you had to ask for b4 and c5 because you didn't even read the topic. Please dont lie to me.

Wow. and PEBKAC?!?!? How exactly was it my fault??? If Pianoteq for some reason makes my c5 key 30% louder than any other key without me directly modifying said key, its a straight up bug in the application. It oviously had nothing to do with my environment or my settings, as I could fix it by tempering with completely unrelated settings.

I litterally had to reset all my presets to factory level to make a certain key function normally. Thats not my fault, is it. If it was, I would like to know what I did wrong.

groovy, are you assosiated with pianoteq in any way? Im really dissapointed if you are.

If you have a problem next time, please try to be exactly if you want help.

I had to ask you for B4 and C5 explicitly because on my system B4 has a slightly higher peak than C5 on Pianoteq's "volume meter" under my listed conditions. That was opposite to your observation and an indication, that your settings had not been correct. Now we know why, typical PEBKAC error.

Good luck!

It seems the bug is related to the Freeze settings, possibly after updating from 1 version to another.

The first thing I do when opening the app is to turn on the freeze settings as I want to keep the velocity and volume settings from my previous session. Obviously.

Well, I turned the whole thing off and flipped through all my favourite presets and noticed that the problem was fixed. Then I applied my prefered velocity curve and volume and it still worked.

And before anyone thinks that I must have accidentally locked in changes to a specific note. I dont own the pro version so I can't modify specific nodes, and I have never locked in any effects or other settings during my testing.

Now, c5 is actually slightly, but just verly very slightly more scilent than b4, which to me sounds reasonable.

If anyone still experience the same problem I encurage them to try the same method as me. Thanks again for all the replies.

snurrfint wrote:

When I play b4 and c5 with the exact same velocity, pianoteq's own volume meeter register at least one more bar of volume. More than one for high velocity.

You always provide partial information, so that things can't be reproduced and verified :-)
Which of both notes has one more bar? B4 or C5? At which "exact same velocity"? And which value had been "high velocity"? Which preset are you exactly talking about? Have you ensured that the preset is factory default?

(Teaser: When I guess your probable answers, B4 and C5 behave differently on my system ...)

Lol, partial information. Take a breather man.

1. "Which of both notes has one more bar? B4 or C5?"
Maybe, you shpuld read the thread title to figure out the answer?
2. "At which "exact same velocity"?
Its louder at all velocities. If it wasn't I would have statad otherwise. Its add more bars to the volume meeter because 30% louder amounts to more bars at a higher velocity. It's just easier to see, and demonstates the problem better.
3.  At which "exact same velocity"?
Who cares, it doesn't really matter. Pick one.
4.  "Which preset are you exactly talking about?"
Read the original post before accusing me of not providing info.
5. "Have you ensured that the preset is factory default?"
Is oviously not factory default as I use a fixed velocity to test. But the only parameters I have changed is the main volume and velocity curve.

When I play b4 and c5 with the exact same velocity, pianoteq's own volume meeter register at least one more bar of volume. More than one for high velocity.

You always provide partial information, so that things can't be reproduced and verified :-)
Which of both notes has one more bar? B4 or C5? At which "exact same velocity"? And which value had been "high velocity"? Which preset are you exactly talking about? Have you ensured that the preset is factory default?

(Teaser: When I guess your probable answers, B4 and C5 behave differently on my system ...)

50 - 60 % more psychoacoustic loudness of one note in snurrfint's (unknown) audio environment? That seems to be a lot. This is a factor of 150 - 160 % or 1.5 - 1.6.

At http://sengpielaudio.com/calculator-loudness.htm in the Table: Factor, Power Gain, Voltage Gain, and Loudness Gain a factor of 1.516 means +6 dB of (psychoacoustic) loudness gain.

An indication of the differences at signal level is my following snapshot:

I recorded B4, C5 and Db5 of the v8.2.0 NY Steinway D Warm with a constant velocity of 100 in Pianoteq and exported the notes to a WAV and reimported to Audacity. With its Contrast tool I measured the average level (RMS) of the first 0.25 s of each note, example:

B4 -18.56 dB
C5 -18.56 dB
Db5 -18.88 dB

With a double decay of 0.50 s the average signal level (RMS) has been lower of course:

B4 -20.04 dB
C5 -20,18 dB
Db5 -21,10 dB

Keep in mind, that Pianoteq is a virtual acoustic instrument with resonances, two or more virtual microphones at different locations of the soundboard, strings and room acoustics. Everything depends randomly on the start conditions and two played notes have never an identical waveform.

So it is remarkable, that the adjacent notes do not differ more than <1 dB in this example. I doubt you would find a real Acoustic Piano with such even note volumes.

The new 8.2.0 NY Steinway D Warm is a wonderful preset by the way, I'm starting to like it!

PS:
Eventually the asymmetry of the stereo channels is audible under certain conditions.
In my above example the three notes (0.25 s) of the left channel have:
B4 -16.70 dB
C5 -19.77 dB
Db5 -17.83 dB

The three notes of the right channel:
B4 -21.94 dB
C5 -17.61 dB
Db5 -20.26 dB

As you can see, C5's left channel is a few dB quieter than its adjacents, the right channel a few dB louder.

My enviroment is the official app on iPad OS. So as official as it can be. No DAWs. Only usb-c audio out from the ipad.

You don't need no fancy equipment. When I play b4 and c5 with the exact same velocity, pianoteq's own volume meeter register at least one more bar of volume. More than one for high velocity. And the sound that comes out is much louder. I wonder if it has to do with the sterio settings mensioned above that the left channel is higher than the right. I mostly play with the built in speakers of my yamaha CSP-170. That doesn't explain pianoteqs own volume meeter though.

I would post images of the two notes with 100 velocity side by side if I knew how to add images.

Anyway. Thanks for trying to help. I feel like most people don't experience the same issue as I do unfortunately.

At http://sengpielaudio.com/calculator-loudness.htm in the Table: Factor, Power Gain, Voltage Gain, and Loudness Gain a factor of 1.516 means +6 dB of (psychoacoustic) loudness gain.

An indication of the differences at signal level is my following snapshot:

I recorded B4, C5 and Db5 of the v8.2.0 NY Steinway D Warm with a constant velocity of 100 in Pianoteq and exported the notes to a WAV and reimported to Audacity. With its Contrast tool I measured the average level (RMS) of the first 0.25 s of each note, example:

B4 -18.56 dB
C5 -18.56 dB
Db5 -18.88 dB

With a double decay of 0.50 s the average signal level (RMS) has been lower of course:

B4 -20.04 dB
C5 -20,18 dB
Db5 -21,10 dB

Keep in mind, that Pianoteq is a virtual acoustic instrument with resonances, two or more virtual microphones at different locations of the soundboard, strings and room acoustics. Everything depends randomly on the start conditions and two played notes have never an identical waveform.

So it is remarkable, that the adjacent notes do not differ more than <1 dB in this example. I doubt you would find a real Acoustic Piano with such even note volumes.

The new 8.2.0 NY Steinway D Warm is a wonderful preset by the way, I'm starting to like it!

PS:
Eventually the asymmetry of the stereo channels is audible under certain conditions.
In my above example the three notes (0.25 s) of the left channel have:
B4 -16.70 dB
C5 -19.77 dB
Db5 -17.83 dB

The three notes of the right channel:
B4 -21.94 dB
C5 -17.61 dB
Db5 -20.26 dB

As you can see, C5's left channel is a few dB quieter than its adjacents, the right channel a few dB louder.

Also if you hear some 25 or even 50 or 60% jump, to me, it indicate that your C5 (don't use the MIDI note number.. I mentioned it earlier, but I think I got away with it - crossed fingies!!) key could be accelerating differently. Such a physical annoyance, kind of made extra annoying that it may coincide with a slightly brighter note on a preferred preset.

But for sure send the bits Philippe requested to support - wondering if some attenuation to the note on both those presets arrives closer to a nicer outcome in your case? Good luck!!

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