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			<title type="html"><![CDATA[Re: how important are nice headphones?]]></title>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<p>Lanny, that&#039;s a very interesting suggestion! I have not tried the external bass with the on the ear treble.</p><p>I love my Byerdynamic DT 880s which I bought quite a few years ago. However, I prefer listening to speakers then having headphones on my head. The only problem with your suggestion is that when I use the headphones, it&#039;s usually because people are around me who do not want to hear the music as well ;-)</p><p>I am still tinkering with transducers on my piano soundboard so that the piano itself is the speaker. It&#039;s been a project...</p>]]></content>
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				<name><![CDATA[dklein]]></name>
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			<updated>2023-12-14T11:34:22Z</updated>
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			<title type="html"><![CDATA[Re: how important are nice headphones?]]></title>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<div class="quotebox"><cite>Irmin wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>Also have 560s and 598&#039;s</p><p>I prefer the 560s for general music listening. They are excellent with Pianoteq, but the 598&#039;s are slightly better. Then again have had the 598&#039;s for 10 years+ so maybe I am just used to the sound.</p><p>Back to the original question: Good headphones are important, make sure they are physically comfortable to wear as well, and I prefer open back to close backed headphones.</p></blockquote></div><br /><p>&quot;Good&quot; is a much banded term.&nbsp; I find Stagg SHP 2300 are excellent especially at their silly price.&nbsp; The SHP5000, more expensive, are not even half decent.&nbsp; I&#039;d previously bought several more expensive &#039;phones, and managed to sent them all back fortunately, but you get tired of doing this, simply because you can&#039;t demo them.<br />Stagg 2300, £12.50 on ebay.</p>]]></content>
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				<name><![CDATA[peterws]]></name>
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			<updated>2023-12-13T09:01:21Z</updated>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<p>Also have 560s and 598&#039;s</p><p>I prefer the 560s for general music listening. They are excellent with Pianoteq, but the 598&#039;s are slightly better. Then again have had the 598&#039;s for 10 years+ so maybe I am just used to the sound.</p><p>Back to the original question: Good headphones are important, make sure they are physically comfortable to wear as well, and I prefer open back to close backed headphones.</p>]]></content>
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				<name><![CDATA[Irmin]]></name>
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			<updated>2023-12-01T11:06:45Z</updated>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<div class="quotebox"><cite>BlueFish42 wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>I ended up trying out Sennheiser 650 and 560S.&nbsp; The 650 was more expensive and I expected it to be better, but surprisingly I substantially preferred the sound from the 560S.&nbsp; Actually, I was surprised that I could tell much of a difference at all, but the difference was substantial. So I got the 560S.</p></blockquote></div><p>I have the 560S as well. For the money it’s insane. Mixed 2 albums with it.</p>]]></content>
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			<updated>2023-11-29T20:21:57Z</updated>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<p>I ended up trying out Sennheiser 650 and 560S.&nbsp; The 650 was more expensive and I expected it to be better, but surprisingly I substantially preferred the sound from the 560S.&nbsp; Actually, I was surprised that I could tell much of a difference at all, but the difference was substantial. So I got the 560S.</p>]]></content>
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			<updated>2023-11-29T17:12:54Z</updated>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<p>I like the other responses and how they address what you will want to consider in selecting headphones for Pianoteq.</p><p>What you need from headphones or speakers depends, of course, and &#039;nice headphones&#039; need not mean &#039;nicest headphones.&#039; If you really need new headphones, I suspect you can tell, but how much you might benefit (or not) from premium ones, I can&#039;t guess.</p><p>Nowadays, I really don&#039;t prefer to use my MPOWS very well when playing any digital piano-- none too expensive and probably not a &#039;neutral&#039; tone.</p><p>I had a pair of closed-back headphones by AKG and they definitely worked. But then when I wanted more headphones, I got open-back Koss Sportapros, which left the AKG set with a sense of being not as good... though the AKGs still seem reasonable.</p><p>Incidentally, the AKG was more like $200 and the Sportapros like $40. Sportapros can come up excessively tight against you and that can be a problem sometimes.</p><p>I might get Senn 6XX or something eventually... I&#039;ve no need to hurry on it.</p>]]></content>
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				<name><![CDATA[gjmelody]]></name>
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			<updated>2023-11-24T08:17:12Z</updated>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<p>If your playing environment is such that external speakers pose no problem to a 3rd party then consider:</p><p>1.&nbsp; Sound sources in the lower frequency ranges, ie.: low notes on a piano are rather omnidirectional ... quite spatial</p><p>2.&nbsp; Sound sources in the mid to upper frequency ranges, ie.: mid to upper range notes on a piano are quite identifiable as to their presence - location - our auto location tells us that.&nbsp; This is analogous to optical parallax resulting from two eyes.</p><p>3.&nbsp; Having a set of speakers with good quality low frequency capabilities played simultaneously with a good set of &quot;open sided&quot; headphones is a remarkable combination.</p><p>4.&nbsp; My headphones of choice have always been the Beyerdynamic DT-880.&nbsp; I bought mine from their service center in USA/Mass for $110.&nbsp; New ones are in the $300 range.</p><p>Kindest Regards,</p><p>Lanny</p>]]></content>
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				<name><![CDATA[LTECpiano]]></name>
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			<updated>2023-11-19T19:40:48Z</updated>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<div class="quotebox"><cite>BlueFish42 wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>If one wants to get the best sound out of Pianoteq when practicing live, how important are the headphones?&nbsp; I listen on a pair of Sennheiser HD 202,bought them many years ago.</p></blockquote></div><p>You&#039;re not really getting the value of having Pianoteq if you don&#039;t have decent headphones.</p><p>You can get former flagship headphones like the Sennheiser 650 (6xx) for $200 on drop.com.<br /><a href="https://drop.com/buy/massdrop-sennheiser-hd6xx">https://drop.com/buy/massdrop-sennheiser-hd6xx</a></p><p>Even the 30 years old Sennheiser 580 (58x) is still excellent for $140.<br /><a href="https://drop.com/buy/massdrop-x-sennheiser-hd-58x-jubilee-headphones">https://drop.com/buy/massdrop-x-sennhei...headphones</a></p><p>Just be mindful that they are relatively &quot;high impedence&quot; headphones, ie they may need a higher voltage than older laptops used to provide through their headphone jacks. I&#039;ve used both with an ipad and they&#039;re fine for normal listening. Current macbook laptops are advertised as being high impedence headphone friendly.<br /><a href="https://support.apple.com/en-au/HT212856#:~:text=When%20you%20connect%20headphones%20with,jack%20delivers%203%20volts%20RMS.">https://support.apple.com/en-au/HT21285...lts%20RMS.</a></p>]]></content>
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			<updated>2023-11-19T04:32:31Z</updated>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<div class="quotebox"><cite>BlueFish42 wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>If one wants to get the best sound out of Pianoteq when practicing live, how important are the headphones?&nbsp; I listen on a pair of Sennheiser HD 202,bought them many years ago.</p></blockquote></div><p>It&#039;s worth getting headphones that sound good enough, and most importantly are comfortable for long sessions. </p><p>Great sound is much more than a bonus but it&#039;s still secondary with headphones!</p><p>There are big differences in sound quality. Best to find some way to demo several pairs. </p><p>Look to higher impedance models, and a sound interface to drive them. </p><p>Sticking to Sennheiser have a listen to some 600 &amp; 800 series. Also perhaps check out some planar designs. Circumaural designs. Make sure you find them comfortable on your head, that&#039;s the main thing.</p>]]></content>
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			<updated>2023-11-18T22:49:27Z</updated>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<p>If one wants to get the best sound out of Pianoteq when practicing live, how important are the headphones?&nbsp; I listen on a pair of Sennheiser HD 202,bought them many years ago.</p>]]></content>
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