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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<p>Great advice Chris. Many thanks.<br /></p><div class="quotebox"><cite>sigasa wrote:</cite><blockquote><div class="quotebox"><cite>Bigalminal wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>I have the pedal working and talking to PianoTeq. Some further advice please. With all the pedal options available, what do you guys use? Left (soft) is fine so I left that as is. I would like to set up 1/2 pedalling as well, but not sure which pedal that one is. Also, PianoTeq defaults to harmonic for the middle pedal but I couldn’t pick up any change in tone. Any more suggestions will be much appreciated.</p><p>I also have a stand alone Roland sus pedal that I could use in the fourth Quattro slot, but not sure what I would use it for, or whether it would be useful. Any suggestions for that please? Cheers!</p><div class="quotebox"><cite>sigasa wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>Pleased you&#039;ve got it sorted Bigalminal,</p><p>Warmest regards,</p><p>Chris</p></blockquote></div></blockquote></div><p>Half pedalling is the sustain pedal (right pedal). You can use the velocity curve calibration in Pianoteq to help you with the half pedal setup.</p><p>Middle pedal is usually the sustenuto pedal</p><p>Left pedal is Una Cords</p><p>You could use the Roland DP10 sustain pedal as a page turner???</p><p>Hope this helps a bit,</p><p>Warmest regards,</p><p>Chris</p></blockquote></div>]]></content>
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			<updated>2023-07-21T01:23:11Z</updated>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<div class="quotebox"><cite>Bigalminal wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>I have the pedal working and talking to PianoTeq. Some further advice please. With all the pedal options available, what do you guys use? Left (soft) is fine so I left that as is. I would like to set up 1/2 pedalling as well, but not sure which pedal that one is. Also, PianoTeq defaults to harmonic for the middle pedal but I couldn’t pick up any change in tone. Any more suggestions will be much appreciated.</p><p>I also have a stand alone Roland sus pedal that I could use in the fourth Quattro slot, but not sure what I would use it for, or whether it would be useful. Any suggestions for that please? Cheers!</p><div class="quotebox"><cite>sigasa wrote:</cite><blockquote><div class="quotebox"><cite>kanefsky wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>I would have guessed it would be the opposite if you were having an issue.&nbsp; The way I use it is that I ran the standalone software once to configure my pedals and then the settings were stored in the device and I never needed to run the software again.&nbsp; With the plugin I assume that means you have to keep it running all the time.</p></blockquote></div><p>Pleased you&#039;ve got it sorted Bigalminal,</p><p>Warmest regards,</p><p>Chris</p></blockquote></div></blockquote></div><p>Half pedalling is the sustain pedal (right pedal). You can use the velocity curve calibration in Pianoteq to help you with the half pedal setup.</p><p>Middle pedal is usually the sustenuto pedal</p><p>Left pedal is Una Cords</p><p>You could use the Roland DP10 sustain pedal as a page turner???</p><p>Hope this helps a bit,</p><p>Warmest regards,</p><p>Chris</p>]]></content>
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			<updated>2023-07-20T22:15:53Z</updated>
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			<title type="html"><![CDATA[Re: Three pedal unit for M Audio Keystation 88 M3.]]></title>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<p>I have the pedal working and talking to PianoTeq. Some further advice please. With all the pedal options available, what do you guys use? Left (soft) is fine so I left that as is. I would like to set up 1/2 pedalling as well, but not sure which pedal that one is. Also, PianoTeq defaults to harmonic for the middle pedal but I couldn’t pick up any change in tone. Any more suggestions will be much appreciated.</p><p>I also have a stand alone Roland sus pedal that I could use in the fourth Quattro slot, but not sure what I would use it for, or whether it would be useful. Any suggestions for that please? Cheers!</p><div class="quotebox"><cite>sigasa wrote:</cite><blockquote><div class="quotebox"><cite>kanefsky wrote:</cite><blockquote><div class="quotebox"><cite>Bigalminal wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>Ah yes!! I was using the stand alone instead of the plugin. Cheers!</p></blockquote></div><p>I would have guessed it would be the opposite if you were having an issue.&nbsp; The way I use it is that I ran the standalone software once to configure my pedals and then the settings were stored in the device and I never needed to run the software again.&nbsp; With the plugin I assume that means you have to keep it running all the time.</p></blockquote></div><p>Pleased you&#039;ve got it sorted Bigalminal,</p><p>Warmest regards,</p><p>Chris</p></blockquote></div>]]></content>
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			<updated>2023-07-20T20:57:00Z</updated>
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			<title type="html"><![CDATA[Re: Three pedal unit for M Audio Keystation 88 M3.]]></title>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<div class="quotebox"><cite>kanefsky wrote:</cite><blockquote><div class="quotebox"><cite>Bigalminal wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>Ah yes!! I was using the stand alone instead of the plugin. Cheers!</p></blockquote></div><p>I would have guessed it would be the opposite if you were having an issue.&nbsp; The way I use it is that I ran the standalone software once to configure my pedals and then the settings were stored in the device and I never needed to run the software again.&nbsp; With the plugin I assume that means you have to keep it running all the time.</p></blockquote></div><p>Pleased you&#039;ve got it sorted Bigalminal,</p><p>Warmest regards,</p><p>Chris</p>]]></content>
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			<updated>2023-07-20T03:39:46Z</updated>
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			<title type="html"><![CDATA[Re: Three pedal unit for M Audio Keystation 88 M3.]]></title>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<div class="quotebox"><cite>Bigalminal wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>Ah yes!! I was using the stand alone instead of the plugin. Cheers!</p></blockquote></div><p>I would have guessed it would be the opposite if you were having an issue.&nbsp; The way I use it is that I ran the standalone software once to configure my pedals and then the settings were stored in the device and I never needed to run the software again.&nbsp; With the plugin I assume that means you have to keep it running all the time.</p>]]></content>
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			<updated>2023-07-20T00:20:38Z</updated>
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			<title type="html"><![CDATA[Re: Three pedal unit for M Audio Keystation 88 M3.]]></title>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<p>Ah yes!! I was using the stand alone instead of the plugin. Cheers!<br /></p><div class="quotebox"><cite>kanefsky wrote:</cite><blockquote><div class="quotebox"><cite>Bigalminal wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>Hi Chris and thanks. I tried mapping the pedals in the software but they would not hold. Is there a trick somewhere that I may have missed?</p></blockquote></div><p>Are you using the plugin version or standalone?</p><div class="quotebox"><blockquote><p><strong>Standalone vs. Plugin Mode</strong><br />The MIDI Expression Control application comes in two varieties—a standalone version and also a<br />plugin version. While both varieties work in pretty much the same way, there is one major<br />difference between them. When you make changes using the standalone version, your changes<br />are saved directly to the memory in the device. However, when you make changes using the plugin<br />version, the settings are saved in the plugin&#039;s own memory and not the device.</p></blockquote></div><p>The full manual is available here if you don&#039;t have it already:&nbsp; <a href="https://www.audiofront.net/MIDIExpression.pdf">https://www.audiofront.net/MIDIExpression.pdf</a></p></blockquote></div>]]></content>
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			<updated>2023-07-20T00:13:21Z</updated>
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			<title type="html"><![CDATA[Re: Three pedal unit for M Audio Keystation 88 M3.]]></title>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<div class="quotebox"><cite>Bigalminal wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>Hi Chris and thanks. I tried mapping the pedals in the software but they would not hold. Is there a trick somewhere that I may have missed?</p></blockquote></div><p>Are you using the plugin version or standalone?</p><div class="quotebox"><blockquote><p><strong>Standalone vs. Plugin Mode</strong><br />The MIDI Expression Control application comes in two varieties—a standalone version and also a<br />plugin version. While both varieties work in pretty much the same way, there is one major<br />difference between them. When you make changes using the standalone version, your changes<br />are saved directly to the memory in the device. However, when you make changes using the plugin<br />version, the settings are saved in the plugin&#039;s own memory and not the device.</p></blockquote></div><p>The full manual is available here if you don&#039;t have it already:&nbsp; <a href="https://www.audiofront.net/MIDIExpression.pdf">https://www.audiofront.net/MIDIExpression.pdf</a></p>]]></content>
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			<updated>2023-07-19T20:48:34Z</updated>
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			<title type="html"><![CDATA[Re: Three pedal unit for M Audio Keystation 88 M3.]]></title>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<p>audiofront has very good support, including their forums. I&#039;d suggest you ask over there</p><div class="quotebox"><cite>Bigalminal wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>Hi Chris and thanks. I tried mapping the pedals in the software but they would not hold. Is there a trick somewhere that I may have missed?</p><div class="quotebox"><cite>sigasa wrote:</cite><blockquote><div class="quotebox"><cite>Bigalminal wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>Oh, this forum is a bit confusing. I posted a reply and asked for futher help, but it has been incorporated into another posting. If anyone can see it ok, I would like more help please&gt; Cheers.</p></blockquote></div><p>Yes, you do need the audiofront software. Just download it from the audiofront website. You can use it to set the pedals up the way you want.</p><p>Warmest regards,</p><p>Chris</p><p><a href="https://www.audiofront.net/downloads.php">https://www.audiofront.net/downloads.php</a></p></blockquote></div></blockquote></div>]]></content>
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			<updated>2023-07-19T20:34:31Z</updated>
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			<title type="html"><![CDATA[Re: Three pedal unit for M Audio Keystation 88 M3.]]></title>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<p>Hi Chris and thanks. I tried mapping the pedals in the software but they would not hold. Is there a trick somewhere that I may have missed?</p><div class="quotebox"><cite>sigasa wrote:</cite><blockquote><div class="quotebox"><cite>Bigalminal wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>Oh, this forum is a bit confusing. I posted a reply and asked for futher help, but it has been incorporated into another posting. If anyone can see it ok, I would like more help please&gt; Cheers.</p></blockquote></div><p>Yes, you do need the audiofront software. Just download it from the audiofront website. You can use it to set the pedals up the way you want.</p><p>Warmest regards,</p><p>Chris</p><p><a href="https://www.audiofront.net/downloads.php">https://www.audiofront.net/downloads.php</a></p></blockquote></div>]]></content>
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			<updated>2023-07-19T20:23:25Z</updated>
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			<title type="html"><![CDATA[Re: Three pedal unit for M Audio Keystation 88 M3.]]></title>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<div class="quotebox"><cite>Bigalminal wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>Oh, this forum is a bit confusing. I posted a reply and asked for futher help, but it has been incorporated into another posting. If anyone can see it ok, I would like more help please&gt; Cheers.</p></blockquote></div><p>Yes, you do need the audiofront software. Just download it from the audiofront website. You can use it to set the pedals up the way you want.</p><p>Warmest regards,</p><p>Chris</p><p><a href="https://www.audiofront.net/downloads.php">https://www.audiofront.net/downloads.php</a></p>]]></content>
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			<updated>2023-07-19T12:43:02Z</updated>
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			<title type="html"><![CDATA[Re: Three pedal unit for M Audio Keystation 88 M3.]]></title>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<p>Oh, this forum is a bit confusing. I posted a reply and asked for futher help, but it has been incorporated into another posting. If anyone can see it ok, I would like more help please&gt; Cheers.</p>]]></content>
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			<updated>2023-07-19T09:37:50Z</updated>
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			<title type="html"><![CDATA[Re: Three pedal unit for M Audio Keystation 88 M3.]]></title>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<div class="quotebox"><cite>sigasa wrote:</cite><blockquote><div class="quotebox"><cite>kanefsky wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>The <a href="https://www.roland.com/US/products/rpu-3/">Roland RPU-3</a> would probably work.&nbsp; It has a simple 1/4&quot; output for each pedal so it acts like three separate pedals that are just physically combined into a single unit.&nbsp; Most other triple pedals either use some kind of proprietary DIN connector or they might have a combination such as sustain on one 1/4&quot; connector and the other two pedals combined on another connector.&nbsp; There can be differences such as polarity and pedals that use optical sensors and require some power versus ones that just use variable resistance, but often a modern keyboard will be fairly compatible with different sustain and expression pedals as long as they use a 1/4&quot; connector.</p><p>Obviously if your keyboard only supports connecting two pedals then you&#039;d only be able to connect two of the three pedals through your keyboard.&nbsp; However since you&#039;re using Pianoteq you don&#039;t actually have to plug your pedal(s) directly into your keyboard.&nbsp; I use the above mentioned Roland pedal with a <a href="https://www.audiofront.net/MIDIExpression.php">MIDI Expression Quattro</a> and Pianoteq without connecting the pedal to my Kawai VPC1 keyboard (since it isn&#039;t compatible).&nbsp; As long as Pianoteq can see a MIDI device sending messages from your pedals, it doesn&#039;t have to be the same MIDI device as your keyboard sending note on/off events.</p></blockquote></div><p>Hi and thanks for the replies. I actually remembered that I already owned the Audio Front Quattro. I have hooked the Roland pedal up to the Quattro but am struggling to get it to work. Should I be using the Audio Front software to set the three pedals, or can I simply use midi learn? Any further help/suggestions would be much appreciated.<br />I use the Roland triple pedal with audiofront three socket version. Works perfectly. I get all 127 velocity values. Hope this helps,</p><p>Warmest regards,</p><p>Chris</p></blockquote></div>]]></content>
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				<name><![CDATA[Bigalminal]]></name>
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			<updated>2023-07-19T09:35:33Z</updated>
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			<title type="html"><![CDATA[Re: Three pedal unit for M Audio Keystation 88 M3.]]></title>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<div class="quotebox"><cite>kanefsky wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>The <a href="https://www.roland.com/US/products/rpu-3/">Roland RPU-3</a> would probably work.&nbsp; It has a simple 1/4&quot; output for each pedal so it acts like three separate pedals that are just physically combined into a single unit.&nbsp; Most other triple pedals either use some kind of proprietary DIN connector or they might have a combination such as sustain on one 1/4&quot; connector and the other two pedals combined on another connector.&nbsp; There can be differences such as polarity and pedals that use optical sensors and require some power versus ones that just use variable resistance, but often a modern keyboard will be fairly compatible with different sustain and expression pedals as long as they use a 1/4&quot; connector.</p><p>Obviously if your keyboard only supports connecting two pedals then you&#039;d only be able to connect two of the three pedals through your keyboard.&nbsp; However since you&#039;re using Pianoteq you don&#039;t actually have to plug your pedal(s) directly into your keyboard.&nbsp; I use the above mentioned Roland pedal with a <a href="https://www.audiofront.net/MIDIExpression.php">MIDI Expression Quattro</a> and Pianoteq without connecting the pedal to my Kawai VPC1 keyboard (since it isn&#039;t compatible).&nbsp; As long as Pianoteq can see a MIDI device sending messages from your pedals, it doesn&#039;t have to be the same MIDI device as your keyboard sending note on/off events.</p></blockquote></div><p>I use the Roland triple pedal with audiofront three socket version. Works perfectly. I get all 127 velocity values. Hope this helps,</p><p>Warmest regards,</p><p>Chris</p>]]></content>
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			<updated>2023-07-17T10:09:58Z</updated>
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			<title type="html"><![CDATA[Re: Three pedal unit for M Audio Keystation 88 M3.]]></title>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<p>The <a href="https://www.roland.com/US/products/rpu-3/">Roland RPU-3</a> would probably work.&nbsp; It has a simple 1/4&quot; output for each pedal so it acts like three separate pedals that are just physically combined into a single unit.&nbsp; Most other triple pedals either use some kind of proprietary DIN connector or they might have a combination such as sustain on one 1/4&quot; connector and the other two pedals combined on another connector.&nbsp; There can be differences such as polarity and pedals that use optical sensors and require some power versus ones that just use variable resistance, but often a modern keyboard will be fairly compatible with different sustain and expression pedals as long as they use a 1/4&quot; connector.</p><p>Obviously if your keyboard only supports connecting two pedals then you&#039;d only be able to connect two of the three pedals through your keyboard.&nbsp; However since you&#039;re using Pianoteq you don&#039;t actually have to plug your pedal(s) directly into your keyboard.&nbsp; I use the above mentioned Roland pedal with a <a href="https://www.audiofront.net/MIDIExpression.php">MIDI Expression Quattro</a> and Pianoteq without connecting the pedal to my Kawai VPC1 keyboard (since it isn&#039;t compatible).&nbsp; As long as Pianoteq can see a MIDI device sending messages from your pedals, it doesn&#039;t have to be the same MIDI device as your keyboard sending note on/off events.</p>]]></content>
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				<name><![CDATA[kanefsky]]></name>
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			<updated>2023-07-14T00:59:26Z</updated>
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			<title type="html"><![CDATA[Three pedal unit for M Audio Keystation 88 M3.]]></title>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<p>I just bought an M Audio Keystation 88 M3 controller. It has two 1/4” inputs on the back which are expression and sustain. I’d like to buy a three pedal unit to make full use of Pianoteq capabilities. Can anyone help me out with what to buy and how to set it up please? Many thanks.</p>]]></content>
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				<name><![CDATA[Bigalminal]]></name>
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			<updated>2023-07-13T19:55:01Z</updated>
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