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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<div class="quotebox"><cite>1MuddyDog wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>...Scarlatti is surprisingly hard to play <i class="far fa-smile smiley"></i> !</p></blockquote></div><p>Yes! I&#039;ve read through most of the sonatas at home, but only dared to play a small handful in public.&nbsp; It&#039;s as bad as Mozart, no chance of hiding any mistakes.</p>]]></content>
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				<name><![CDATA[hanysz]]></name>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<div class="quotebox"><cite>hanysz wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>Sorry to be so late to the party.&nbsp; I&#039;m enjoying both the performances and the repertoire choices (also the Scarlatti series).</p><p>It sounds like your editing workflow has a bit in common with mine.&nbsp; I also add the other pedals &quot;by hand&quot; afterwards, and adjust a bunch of note velocities.</p><p>If you haven&#039;t tried it already, it sounds like a custom velocity curve in Pianoteq would solve some of your problems: you can add a steeper segment in the middle to differentiate more between those close-together sounds, and round off the top end to make the crescendos less harsh.&nbsp; You could also try moving the &quot;dynamics&quot; slider in Pianoteq (just underneath volume) to the right a bit, and taking the forte hammer hardness down a notch.</p><p>Depending on your DAW, you might also have some options for bulk editing the note velocities.&nbsp; For example, in Reaper, it&#039;s pretty easy to select all, subtract 20 from velocities, then multiply by 2 -- and then the 40-80 range has turned into 40-120 (same effect you&#039;d get from a velocity curve in Pianoteq, but with more flexibility for editing the results).&nbsp; If that&#039;s too extreme, replace 2 with 1.5 or something else.</p><p>Keep up the good work, and I&#039;ll look forward to your next release :-)</p></blockquote></div><p>Hey hanysz,</p><p>Many thanks for your helpful comment! Glad you are enjoying the pieces - Scarlatti is surprisingly hard to play <i class="far fa-smile smiley"></i> !</p><p>I did actually end up adjusting the velocity curve soon after making this recording, and it made a big difference - now mostly I have to add pedalling by hand, hardly any velocity adjustments are needed anymore. I haven&#039;t played with the dynamics slider much though, so I will give it a try soon as well.</p><p>Keep well..</p>]]></content>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<p>Sorry to be so late to the party.&nbsp; I&#039;m enjoying both the performances and the repertoire choices (also the Scarlatti series).</p><p>It sounds like your editing workflow has a bit in common with mine.&nbsp; I also add the other pedals &quot;by hand&quot; afterwards, and adjust a bunch of note velocities.</p><p>If you haven&#039;t tried it already, it sounds like a custom velocity curve in Pianoteq would solve some of your problems: you can add a steeper segment in the middle to differentiate more between those close-together sounds, and round off the top end to make the crescendos less harsh.&nbsp; You could also try moving the &quot;dynamics&quot; slider in Pianoteq (just underneath volume) to the right a bit, and taking the forte hammer hardness down a notch.</p><p>Depending on your DAW, you might also have some options for bulk editing the note velocities.&nbsp; For example, in Reaper, it&#039;s pretty easy to select all, subtract 20 from velocities, then multiply by 2 -- and then the 40-80 range has turned into 40-120 (same effect you&#039;d get from a velocity curve in Pianoteq, but with more flexibility for editing the results).&nbsp; If that&#039;s too extreme, replace 2 with 1.5 or something else.</p><p>Keep up the good work, and I&#039;ll look forward to your next release :-)</p>]]></content>
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				<name><![CDATA[hanysz]]></name>
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			<updated>2023-10-02T10:31:04Z</updated>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<div class="quotebox"><cite>Pianoteqenthusiast wrote:</cite><blockquote><div class="quotebox"><cite>1MuddyDog wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>A darkly coloured nocturne for piano with some beautiful inner voices.</p><p><a href="https://youtu.be/bVqMW5XlsXs">https://youtu.be/bVqMW5XlsXs</a></p><p>Performed on the PianoTeq 8 Hamburg Steinway Model D. I hope you will enjoy it, and thank you for listening <i class="far fa-smile smiley"></i> !</p></blockquote></div><p>Thank you, 1MuddyDog, beautiful rendition, smooth and feeling. This is music I can listen to in the evenings, very beautiful.</p><p>What keyboard do you use? <br />I can&#039;t get all your fantastic nuances in my playing with my old keyboard with plastic keys. I miss a keyboard with grand feel piano action, long wooden keys, the pivot point length the same as what you’d find inside of a traditional grand piano. I’m sure it gives me more control over the expression of my performance (much more than I get with my keyboard that features shorter keys made out of plastic ).</p><p>Anyway, I always enjoy your playing and waiting for next one.<br />Thank you 1MuddyDog, for sharing your music.</p><p>Best wishes,</p><p>Stig</p></blockquote></div><p>Hey there Stig,</p><p>Thanks as always for your kind comment - glad you enjoyed the Gliere, it really is a lovely piece.</p><p>I use a Roland RD700 to capture the pieces with. It has a nice sound with a weighted keyboard that is very responsive to touch. My setup does have its limitations though:<br />i) I don&#039;t have a soft pedal or sostenuto pedal, so I have to add those in afterwards by hand in places where I know I would have used them<br />ii) The RD700 pedalling (sustain pedal) doesn&#039;t map cleanly to the Steinway - what sounds clear and clean on the RD700 turns into a muddy mess on the Steinway, so I also have to clean up the pedalling afterwards<br />iii) Sadly, the key velocities registered by the RD700 usually come out quite distorted on the Steinway - crescendos that sound nice and dramatic on the RD700 sound harsh and forced on the Steinway, and where I have played chords with certain weightings in the fingers to get a particular sound, they sound lifeless and undifferentiated in most cases and have a harsh, pinched sound to them especially in louder passages. So I often have to rebalance these chords to make it sound like what I played and also to make it sound like what I would have been able to get if I had been playing a Steinway directly.</p><p>I don&#039;t think either piano is at fault - they just speak different languages, so I have to adjust for that when translating from one realm to the other <i class="far fa-smile smiley"></i></p><p>Here is an example: A simple Amaj triad, inverted as &lt;E, A, C#&gt;. So I play this with most of the weight on the C#, and it gets captured in the DAW with velocities &lt;E:50, A:53, C#:62&gt;, for example. This gave a nice clean sound on the RD700, but when played back with the Steinway, it sounds undifferentiated - I can&#039;t hear the top note clearly enough so the chord sounds flat and lifeless. So I have to rebalance it by increasing the distance between the top note and the other two notes to &lt;E:45, A:47, C#:62&gt; for example - by pushing E and A further into the background, the perceived volume of the chord is roughly the same but now it sounds a lot clearer and is closer to the sound that I actually played.</p><p>I hope this can help you get closer to the sound that you dream of.</p><p>Take care, and thanks again for listening!</p>]]></content>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<div class="quotebox"><cite>1MuddyDog wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>A darkly coloured nocturne for piano with some beautiful inner voices.</p><p><a href="https://youtu.be/bVqMW5XlsXs">https://youtu.be/bVqMW5XlsXs</a></p><p>Performed on the PianoTeq 8 Hamburg Steinway Model D. I hope you will enjoy it, and thank you for listening <i class="far fa-smile smiley"></i> !</p></blockquote></div><p>Thank you, 1MuddyDog, beautiful rendition, smooth and feeling. This is music I can listen to in the evenings, very beautiful.</p><p>What keyboard do you use? <br />I can&#039;t get all your fantastic nuances in my playing with my old keyboard with plastic keys. I miss a keyboard with grand feel piano action, long wooden keys, the pivot point length the same as what you’d find inside of a traditional grand piano. I’m sure it gives me more control over the expression of my performance (much more than I get with my keyboard that features shorter keys made out of plastic ).</p><p>Anyway, I always enjoy your playing and waiting for next one.<br />Thank you 1MuddyDog, for sharing your music.</p><p>Best wishes,</p><p>Stig</p>]]></content>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<p>A darkly coloured nocturne for piano with some beautiful inner voices.</p><p><a href="https://youtu.be/bVqMW5XlsXs">https://youtu.be/bVqMW5XlsXs</a></p><p>Performed on the PianoTeq 8 Hamburg Steinway Model D. I hope you will enjoy it, and thank you for listening <i class="far fa-smile smiley"></i> !</p>]]></content>
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