I think K2 sounded good already back in 2022, and people on YouTube immediately gave it 12 thumbs up at the time. I used K2 dreamy.
https://forum.modartt.com/viewtopic.php?id=9298
Best wishes,
Stig
]]>Thanks to all the posters on this thread -- and the fine music. Sounds wonderful. I wanted to bump this thread. Indeed, the K2 warm setting sounds splendid.
Within the K2 piano model lies some intriguing mic and effects choices. I studied them and learned a ton.
I agree with the poster who has taken some of the K2 choices to other pianos. After K2 warm, my next favorite is the K2 Player Jazz preset.
This one has 2 stereo mics and is slightly easier to manually transfer to other pianos compared to the K2 Warm.I love the sounds of the K2 Player Jazz preset choices for mic and effects applied to the Steinway B. It's a fun Steinway B mod to try to recreate some of the Rudy van G / Hackensack "darker" Steinway B tones from the Hard Bop days of lore. Thank you.
Add K2 player Jazz mic settings to Steinway B .....
Compensation - level OFF + delay = OFFMic 1 Royer SF-12 Stereo Ribbon Microphone
X = +0.521
Y = +0.586
Z = 1.340
Angle = -66.8
Vertical Angle = -34.7
-
Mic 1 Output 1
Level = -6 dB ( -3 changed)
Delay = 0
Reversed polarity = 0Mic #1 Output 2
Level = -16 dB
Delay = +30
Reversed polarity = 0Mic #2 Royer SF-12 Stereo Ribbon Microphone
X = +1.121
Y = +0.586
Z = 1.330
Angle = +54.5
Vertical Angle = -33.7Mic 2 Output 1
Level = -16 dB ( -3 changed)
Delay = +30
Reversed polarity = 0Mic #2 Output 2
Level = -6 dB
Delay = 0
Reversed polarity = 0
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EFFECTSEQ3 90 Hz, -3.0 dB Q = 6 for the baseline setting -- then tweak for the room + preferences (add gentle highs >= 4.4KHz for example)
Delay Settings
Mix = 5%
Delay time = 60 ms
Feedback = 0
Tone = -0.5REVERB clean studio
+ 6dB 0.5 seconds
Room size = 12.00, predelay = 0.050
Tone = 0 , early reflections = 0
Your research is very important. It contributes greatly to the enrichment of this piano, which has interesting secrets.
]]>I love the sounds of the K2 Player Jazz preset choices for mic and effects applied to the Steinway B. It's a fun Steinway B mod to try to recreate some of the Rudy van G / Hackensack "darker" Steinway B tones from the Hard Bop days of lore. Thank you.
Add K2 player Jazz mic settings to Steinway B .....
Compensation - level OFF + delay = OFF
Mic 1 Royer SF-12 Stereo Ribbon Microphone
X = +0.521
Y = +0.586
Z = 1.340
Angle = -66.8
Vertical Angle = -34.7
-
Mic 1 Output 1
Level = -6 dB ( -3 changed)
Delay = 0
Reversed polarity = 0
Mic #1 Output 2
Level = -16 dB
Delay = +30
Reversed polarity = 0
Mic #2 Royer SF-12 Stereo Ribbon Microphone
X = +1.121
Y = +0.586
Z = 1.330
Angle = +54.5
Vertical Angle = -33.7
Mic 2 Output 1
Level = -16 dB ( -3 changed)
Delay = +30
Reversed polarity = 0
Mic #2 Output 2
Level = -6 dB
Delay = 0
Reversed polarity = 0
------------
EFFECTS
EQ3 90 Hz, -3.0 dB Q = 6 for the baseline setting -- then tweak for the room + preferences (add gentle highs >= 4.4KHz for example)
Delay Settings
Mix = 5%
Delay time = 60 ms
Feedback = 0
Tone = -0.5
REVERB clean studio
+ 6dB 0.5 seconds
Room size = 12.00, predelay = 0.050
Tone = 0 , early reflections = 0
Professor Leandro Duarte wrote:Especially in this most recent Pianoteq 8 version, the K2 has been imposing and with an incredibly pleasant sound to my ear. The "K2 Warm" preset has been my favorite ever since. It's impossible not to be captivated by its "fat and dirty" sound and at the same time soft and with an incredibly balanced dynamics where the closed of the pianissimo and the strident of the fortissimo appear distinctly.
Congratulations to the Modartt team!Thank you Professor for bringing us back to the K2 !
I had rather neglected it until now, but with Pianoteq 8 it is a rediscovery !
Here is my first music made with the K2 Warm :
Wondeful! Very nice K 2 sound. Gaston makes undoubtledly amazing pianoteq music. Over 500 recordings and still growing. Dear Gaston, I think this piece is among your best so far, and best this year. Thank you Gerard Love it! Keep going!
Best wishes,
Stig
]]>Professor Leandro Duarte wrote:Especially in this most recent Pianoteq 8 version, the K2 has been imposing and with an incredibly pleasant sound to my ear. The "K2 Warm" preset has been my favorite ever since. It's impossible not to be captivated by its "fat and dirty" sound and at the same time soft and with an incredibly balanced dynamics where the closed of the pianissimo and the strident of the fortissimo appear distinctly.
Congratulations to the Modartt team!Thank you Professor for bringing us back to the K2 !
I had rather neglected it until now, but with Pianoteq 8 it is a rediscovery !
Here is my first music made with the K2 Warm :
You are a great pianist. I see you have songwriting skills. Also, the overlapping scales you made are quite creative.
Congratulations!
Especially in this most recent Pianoteq 8 version, the K2 has been imposing and with an incredibly pleasant sound to my ear. The "K2 Warm" preset has been my favorite ever since. It's impossible not to be captivated by its "fat and dirty" sound and at the same time soft and with an incredibly balanced dynamics where the closed of the pianissimo and the strident of the fortissimo appear distinctly.
Congratulations to the Modartt team!
Thank you Professor for bringing us back to the K2 !
I had rather neglected it until now, but with Pianoteq 8 it is a rediscovery !
Here is my first music made with the K2 Warm :
What you said is absolutely true!
Physical Modeling is a technology that really surprises. I don't think I'll ever go back to sample-based keyboards!
Key Fumbler wrote:Professor Leandro Duarte wrote:What you said is absolutely true!
Physical Modeling is a technology that really surprises. I don't think I'll ever go back to sample-based keyboards!
Yes, I've ditched samples for piano. I see the new Rhodes Mk8 is now a sample instrument with modelling elements. 100 layer sampling.
I guess "only 14GB+" is an achievement with 100 layers per key. It is still gobbling up drive space unnecessarily, and will lack the flexibility of adjustment of full physical modelling. No doubt it's decent enough but I would rather adjust the sound in Pianoteq 8, before even considering the price!But I guess you are not comparing apples to apples. True physical modelling today cannot be rendered on a home computer. It would take a huge cluster of powerful CPU's to render only 1 second of sound. You can expand storage and add TB's to your home computer at a relatively affordable price, whereby you cannot do the same with CPU. To be able to use full physical modelling instead of alternative algorithms such as modal synthesis or others will require a truly disruptive innovation in computing, maybe quantic computing or something of this nature.
I didn't understand what you meant. Isn't Pianoteq based entirely on Physical Modeling in fact?
]]>It's not like MP3 cutting frequencies not heard by human hearing. It's way more sophisticated than that.
joannchr wrote:But I guess you are not comparing apples to apples. True physical modelling today cannot be rendered on a home computer. It would take a huge cluster of powerful CPU's to render only 1 second of sound. You can expand storage and add TB's to your home computer at a relatively affordable price, whereby you cannot do the same with CPU. To be able to use full physical modelling instead of alternative algorithms such as modal synthesis or others will require a truly disruptive innovation in computing, maybe quantic computing or something of this nature.
Pianoteq is still physical modelling though. Of course they use all kinds of techniques to limit the real-time CPU load rather than truly blindly modelling everything in minute detail regardless of whether that is even relevant to the human ear or not.
Consider you brain doesn't need to know the contents of the cupboards and the drawers, or the layout of the rudimentary plumbing of every house in a Western movie to accept that the streets and the houses are real or look believable from the outside.
Pianoteq needs to render no more and no less than your brain perceives as a real piano and each new generation is getting even better with incredible efficiency.
But I guess you are not comparing apples to apples. True physical modelling today cannot be rendered on a home computer. It would take a huge cluster of powerful CPU's to render only 1 second of sound. You can expand storage and add TB's to your home computer at a relatively affordable price, whereby you cannot do the same with CPU. To be able to use full physical modelling instead of alternative algorithms such as modal synthesis or others will require a truly disruptive innovation in computing, maybe quantic computing or something of this nature.
Pianoteq is still physical modelling though. Of course they use all kinds of techniques to limit the real-time CPU load rather than truly blindly modelling everything in minute detail regardless of whether that is even relevant to the human ear or not.
Consider you brain doesn't need to know the contents of the cupboards and the drawers, or the layout of the rudimentary plumbing of every house in a Western movie to accept that the streets and the houses are real or look believable from the outside.
Pianoteq needs to render no more and no less than your brain perceives as a real piano and each new generation is getting even better with incredible efficiency.
]]>Key Fumbler wrote:Chopin87 wrote:Downloaded the Rhodes V8 some days ago and it's more like 20 GB. To be fair I wasn't particularly impressed with its sound despite having some pretty interesting features still missing in pianoteq like amp and cab models. The interface is very retro style and somewhat difficult to edit. In desperate need for a 8.1 update. xD
Oh right, perhaps the compressed download file was 14GB then?
I would've liked to see a Pianoteq version. Then again maybe it doesn't really sound substantially different enough to warrant a different physical model?
Same here, lol! Well, if I remember correctly they weren't going from somewhat different but they wanted to resurrect exactly this well know type of sound. The main drastic changes are to the electronics not the mechanical part. The console is in fact pretty busy compared to its predecessors. But the transparent lid is rad! :)
Ha, I thought the transparent lid would be funky looking for shop to show off its inner workings, or possibly on a concert stage but I wouldn't really want that skeletal look in the home.
I must admit I didn't like the reverse colour keys either. Funky for a demonstrator though.
So had I entered their competition (which I didn't) It would have been awkward to be an ungrateful recipient of rather "Marmite" styling!
It looked kind of cool but not my cuppa.
We can easily copy what the electronics do to the sound in software. :)
]]>Professor Leandro Duarte wrote:Beto-Music wrote:K2 it's no a recreation of a real piano model, but an combination of many good characteristics of several models of different brands.
I remember when K2 was released many people found it perfect, while others found it too perfect. Modartt probably tried to get all good things from the best piano brands and add to a single virtual piano model.
Now with V8 engine making average piano tone more natural, K2 is being rediscovered.If you find it too perfect, now you have the chance of increase the Condition Slider to get it more to personal taste.
What you said is absolutely true!
Physical Modeling is a technology that really surprises. I don't think I'll ever go back to sample-based keyboards!
Yes, I've ditched samples for piano. I see the new Rhodes Mk8 is now a sample instrument with modelling elements. 100 layer sampling.
I guess "only 14GB+" is an achievement with 100 layers per key. It is still gobbling up drive space unnecessarily, and will lack the flexibility of adjustment of full physical modelling. No doubt it's decent enough but I would rather adjust the sound in Pianoteq 8, before even considering the price!
But I guess you are not comparing apples to apples. True physical modelling today cannot be rendered on a home computer. It would take a huge cluster of powerful CPU's to render only 1 second of sound. You can expand storage and add TB's to your home computer at a relatively affordable price, whereby you cannot do the same with CPU. To be able to use full physical modelling instead of alternative algorithms such as modal synthesis or others will require a truly disruptive innovation in computing, maybe quantic computing or something of this nature.
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