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			<title type="html"><![CDATA[Re: Let's talk about volume]]></title>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<div class="quotebox"><cite>Panicking Ant wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>A digital piano only performs as the manufacturer intended if you turn it up to full volume.</p></blockquote></div><p>For a device that includes an amplifier and (possibly) speakers, full volume is probably what the manufacturer figured would be the loudest useful volume — the point past which distortion would make it pointless to crank it any louder. Optimal audio quality would be achieved at a lower volume setting (typically 50-70%, I&#039;m going to say with no real proof of that).</p><p>For something that has only a digital output and/or a line-level analog output (so that the primary control point for volume lies in another device later in the signal chain), a volume control, if present, is probably best left at or near 100%, unless it causes an analog output to overload the next input stage. None of this affects the &quot;performance,&quot; though, aside from any audio engineering problems: either a weak signal causing an increased noise floor, or an excessive signal causing overload.</p><div class="quotebox"><cite>Panicking Ant wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>As you turn up the volume the touch seems to get lighter. Of course it doesn&#039;t really, but the effect is real enough to affect the way we play.</p></blockquote></div><p>Very true. Touch is complex and subjective, and it involves the sound as much as the physical feeling of the keys. Adjusting the monitoring volume to match the player&#039;s perceptions and expectations is essential.</p>]]></content>
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				<name><![CDATA[Coises]]></name>
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			<updated>2023-01-19T22:27:13Z</updated>
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			<title type="html"><![CDATA[Re: Let's talk about volume]]></title>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<div class="quotebox"><cite>Panicking Ant wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>A digital piano only performs as the manufacturer intended if you turn it up to full volume.</p></blockquote></div><p>As a rule of thumb, audio systems of all types are typically engineered to yield the best signal to noise ratio and least distortion somewhere around 70% of maximum output level. 100% is usually uncomfortably loud with a quiescent noise floor that&#039;s unpleasntly audible. I&#039;ve never owned a DP with built-in speakers, but would expect that most of them would adhere to this &quot;rule&quot;.</p>]]></content>
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				<name><![CDATA[brundlefly]]></name>
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			<updated>2023-01-15T20:02:10Z</updated>
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			<title type="html"><![CDATA[Re: Let's talk about volume]]></title>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<div class="quotebox"><cite>Panicking Ant wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>Or &quot;gain&quot; if you prefer. When digital pianos are discussed or reviewed the action and the tone are usually considered separately: but touch and tone are intimately related. A third factor, rarely discussed, is volume.<br />Here is a couple of provocative suggestions: </p><p>A digital piano only performs as the manufacturer intended if you turn it up to full volume.<br />As you turn up the volume the touch seems to get lighter. Of course it doesn&#039;t really, but the effect is real enough to affect the way we play.</p><p>Feel free to shoot me down.</p></blockquote></div><p>&nbsp; if you take p&nbsp; (piano) as a middle point for reference it is about 60 db , so in normal situations, you should adapt the volume of your output device to reflect that . <br />Having said that , what really matters are not individual notes ,but&nbsp; how different passages relate to each other in term of dynamics in a piece , so raising the volume is not going to affect the various midi velocities that you are going to have to generate if you want to respect the dynamic proportion of a given piece. <br />If the piece contains a wide range of dynamics ppp to ffff ( yes 4!) like In Rachmaninov concertos , you will have to use the full extent of midi values from 0 to 127 , independently of the volume of the amplifier ( if you don’t change the volume level while playing of course)</p>]]></content>
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				<name><![CDATA[joannchr]]></name>
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			<updated>2023-01-14T19:51:20Z</updated>
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			<title type="html"><![CDATA[Re: Let's talk about volume]]></title>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<div class="quotebox"><cite>Panicking Ant wrote:</cite><blockquote><p> Feel free to shoot me down.</p></blockquote></div><p>Booooo! There you go, shouted down :-)</p><p>It depends on what you are trying to do. Ultimately, you need to use your own ears and other senses to judge what works for a given piece, in a given setting, etc.</p><p>Some purists might aim to get as close as possible to an acoustic piano. Gowing down that route one might end up having to rely on objective measurements, with a decibel meter app or some such.</p><p>The general consensus, I believe, is that sitting behind the piano and at ear level, ppp is around 60dB, and fff around 90dB. </p><p>Having said that, some kind soul, who has a true acoustic, could perhaps take actual measurements and share with the rest of us here :-)</p>]]></content>
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				<name><![CDATA[InstruJam]]></name>
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			<updated>2023-01-14T13:10:57Z</updated>
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			<title type="html"><![CDATA[Let's talk about volume]]></title>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<p>Or &quot;gain&quot; if you prefer. When digital pianos are discussed or reviewed the action and the tone are usually considered separately: but touch and tone are intimately related. A third factor, rarely discussed, is volume.<br />Here is a couple of provocative suggestions: </p><p>A digital piano only performs as the manufacturer intended if you turn it up to full volume.<br />As you turn up the volume the touch seems to get lighter. Of course it doesn&#039;t really, but the effect is real enough to affect the way we play.</p><p>Feel free to shoot me down.</p>]]></content>
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				<name><![CDATA[Panicking Ant]]></name>
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			<updated>2023-01-14T09:55:32Z</updated>
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