is the release sound a type of resonance?
The key release I believe is a separate sound component which won't generate audio in the setups described above. *but would also enjoy learning more.
If so, is this resonance being generated with this method too?
Theoretically I don't expect that it should generate sound or become excited by input audio, as it's a mechanical noise produced by Pianoteq interpreting input piano keys within the model, and not a resonant object.. but I haven't yet tried turning key release noise down or up highest to test if it makes some difference. Interested to hear if others have found it makes any differences.
when exciting the strings in PTQ by playing other vst, are these strings being excited selectively based on the played notes on the sampled vst, or is it rather based on the whole range of frequencies that come from the VST as a sound wave that's exciting PTQ?
It seems to work very similarly to how it does in Pianoteq itself, exciting 'sympathetic resonance'.. if you imagine that part of the model (and what other aspects are attached which only Modartt will know), just transferred to other audio input through it, rather than just the notes you play Pianoteq in normal mode.. the notes from the other sound source will have definite 1st, 2nd, 3rd order tonal weight which will probably 'inform' the model what resonance is appropriate.. and like piano strings in Pianoteq, the other sound source would excite the resonance model, as if it would do to a real piano as far as its modelled by Modartt.
It's exciting to be able to experience such things - and I'm still finding the easiest way is just to insert Pianoteq (choosing 'as a soft synth') on any other instrument or audio track in good old Cakewalk. It's such a blast. No hassle with routing or adjusting and so on.. just works a charm.
]]>If so, is this resonance being generated with this method too? (by using PTQ as resonator only) because I'm not able to hear it, not sure it's very subtle of it's non existent mainly..
Other question, when exciting the strings in PTQ by playing other vst, are these strings being excited selectively based on the played notes on the sampled vst, or is it rather based on the whole range of frequencies that come from the VST as a sound wave that's exciting PTQ?
]]>Eh, it's partially buyer's remorse. If Spectrasonics allowed license transfers I'd just resell Keyscape, but I can't, so I think I'm subconsciously trying to feel like I'm getting my money's worth out of it.
Since v8, 9/10 times I just want to play Pianoteq. Sometimes I'm in the mood for sampled sounds I haven't been able to reproduce with Pianoteq, though, and this approach helps breathe some life into them.
Ha!, It's a nice first world problem to have!
You probably already know this but I just had a quick look through Spectrasonics FAQ. They do allow licence transfers on a case-by-case basis. They don't allow licence transfers with already second-hand licences.
]]>Since v8, 9/10 times I just want to play Pianoteq. Sometimes I'm in the mood for sampled sounds I haven't been able to reproduce with Pianoteq, though, and this approach helps breathe some life into them.
]]>The ability to perhaps more naturally blend other instrument tracks by exciting the Pianoteq instruments within an apparently believable living breathing virtual environment has interesting potential.
Also using OTT FX for intentionally synthetic results is cool too.
]]>Ignoring EQ. Instead disable MIDI out on the original track and MIDI in on the receiving track.
I just set up Pianoteq as an FX for another instrument Reaper as a test. This works, no EQ or ducking compression or whatever required.
1) Add 3rd party instrument VST
2) create new Aux track
3) add Pianoteq on this new Aux track
4) Route from original track to Pianoteq aux track.
5) Disable MIDI input on both the Aux (Pianoteq FX) track and disable MIDI out coming from original VST so that the aux track only reacts to audio input not midi.Input set to "none" it works fine.
Looping through some of my own wet FX Pianoteq presets and some of the more wet reverb and FX factory presets it's quite cool!
I must admit I only tested this for the forum. I might use it if it isn't too CPU hungry.
Yeah, that's what I was originally doing, but was trying to get the dampers in Pianoteq to model what was happening in the original VST. So if I silent key some upper harmonics, and then hit a fundamental, the harmonics ring out if you flatten the velocity curve on Pianoteq and send it MIDI data. Doing that with Trackspacer inverting the EQ on Pianoteq seemed like it blended the two nicely, and brought the original VST to life more than keeping the Pteq dampers down all the time and just routing audio (although the "dampers-down" resonance did help significantly).
All that being said, since the v8 revoicings I haven't really found myself reaching for sample libraries, but that's a matter of personal taste.
]]>Key Fumbler wrote:miiindbullets wrote:I thought TD was only 4 bands on the free one, I might be wrong though! The Trackspacer EQ is 32 bands.
Plus low and high filters. In any case if you seriously somehow needed more you can load multiple instances onto a track anyway. Then onto aux bus tracks and the master.
4 dynamic bands is already a lot in practice. You can already shape those bands substantially. 6 in the Gentlemen's edition - if you need even more.
Combine that with other static EQs for character if you like. You really aren't band EQ limited, unless you use a crippled version of a DAW which only allows so many instances - I use Reaper (there is no crippled version of that).That's cool! Sorry... I'm not an audio engineer by any stretch (if that wasn't obvious)... when using Dynamic EQs would you be able to apply the inverse signal and only duck the overlapping frequencies across the range of the piano, or would all the bands you set all duck together based on the level coming from the sidechain? Just trying to wrap my head around it all.
Ignoring EQ. Instead disable MIDI out on the original track and MIDI in on the receiving track.
I just set up Pianoteq as an FX for another instrument Reaper as a test. This works, no EQ or ducking compression or whatever required.
1) Add 3rd party instrument VST
2) create new Aux track
3) add Pianoteq on this new Aux track
4) Route from original track to Pianoteq aux track.
5) Disable MIDI input on both the Aux (Pianoteq FX) track and disable MIDI out coming from original VST so that the aux track only reacts to audio input not midi.
Input set to "none" it works fine.
Looping through some of my own wet FX Pianoteq presets and some of the more wet reverb and FX factory presets it's quite cool!
I must admit I only tested this for the forum. I might use it if it isn't too CPU hungry.
miiindbullets wrote:Key Fumbler wrote:What's the point of worrying if any DAW has a built-in dynamic EQ?
Just use Tokyo Dawn's free dynamic EQ.I thought TD was only 4 bands on the free one, I might be wrong though! The Trackspacer EQ is 32 bands.
Plus low and high filters. In any case if you seriously somehow needed more you can load multiple instances onto a track anyway. Then onto aux bus tracks and the master.
4 dynamic bands is already a lot in practice. You can already shape those bands substantially. 6 in the Gentlemen's edition - if you need even more.
Combine that with other static EQs for character if you like. You really aren't band EQ limited, unless you use a crippled version of a DAW which only allows so many instances - I use Reaper (there is no crippled version of that).
That's cool! Sorry... I'm not an audio engineer by any stretch (if that wasn't obvious)... when using Dynamic EQs would you be able to apply the inverse signal and only duck the overlapping frequencies across the range of the piano, or would all the bands you set all duck together based on the level coming from the sidechain? Just trying to wrap my head around it all.
]]>Key Fumbler wrote:davidizquierdo82 wrote:..
That's very clever, I'll definitely give it a try, I wonder whether there's any good native dynamic EQ on ableton, it would be great if so.Thanks again for the tip
What's the point of worrying if any DAW has a built-in dynamic EQ?
Just use Tokyo Dawn's free dynamic EQ.I thought TD was only 4 bands on the free one, I might be wrong though! The Trackspacer EQ is 32 bands.
Plus low and high filters. In any case if you seriously somehow needed more you can load multiple instances onto a track anyway. Then onto aux bus tracks and the master.
4 dynamic bands is already a lot in practice. You can already shape those bands substantially. 6 in the Gentlemen's edition - if you need even more.
Combine that with other static EQs for character if you like. You really aren't band EQ limited, unless you use a crippled version of a DAW which only allows so many instances - I use Reaper (there is no crippled version of that).
davidizquierdo82 wrote:..
That's very clever, I'll definitely give it a try, I wonder whether there's any good native dynamic EQ on ableton, it would be great if so.Thanks again for the tip
What's the point of worrying if any DAW has a built-in dynamic EQ?
Just use Tokyo Dawn's free dynamic EQ.
I thought TD was only 4 bands on the free one, I might be wrong though! The Trackspacer EQ is 32 bands.
]]>..
That's very clever, I'll definitely give it a try, I wonder whether there's any good native dynamic EQ on ableton, it would be great if so.Thanks again for the tip
What's the point of worrying if any DAW has a built-in dynamic EQ?
Just use Tokyo Dawn's free dynamic EQ.
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You basically drop it on the Pianoteq track, set the sidechain on Trackspacer to pull audio from the main piano, and it'll continuously reverse-EQ the Pianoteq track so the main piano has space, and as the main piano quiets down, Pteq resonances come forward.
That's very clever, I'll definitely give it a try, I wonder whether there's any good native dynamic EQ on ableton, it would be great if so.
Thanks again for the tip
]]>You basically drop it on the Pianoteq track, set the sidechain on Trackspacer to pull audio from the main piano, and it'll continuously reverse-EQ the Pianoteq track so the main piano has space, and as the main piano quiets down, Pteq resonances come forward. There's a free trial if you want to give it a shot. I had best results when I went into the advanced mode and upped the release time.
]]>This looks like it would do the trick in Ableton:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yw_WQ7mnwr4
Pro-Q3 isn't cheap, but here's a free option if you don't already have a good dynamic EQ:
https://www.tokyodawn.net/tdr-nova/